January 21, 2006

Georgia: Illegal Immigrants Pay Taxes Too

Georgia lawmakers, always on the prowl for opportunities to cut the costs of public services, have been making a lot of noise recently about the allegedly exorbitant costs imposed on the state by providing services to illegal aliens.

The Georgia Budget Policy Institute released a clever study earlier this week that takes a stab at quantifying the obvious response: that illegal aliens do, in fact, pay plenty of taxes to support the public services they consume. Starting from the premise that there are certain taxes (primarily sales taxes, excise taxes, and indirect property taxes in the form of higher rents for renters) that hit illegal aliens just as hard as Georgia citizens, GBPI estimates broadly the amount of these taxes that aliens likely pay to Georgia state and local governments each year at somewhere between $215 million and $250 million.

The methodology behind the report is hardly rocket science-- the economic behavior of undocumented aliens is very hard to measure accurately-- but it's based on the best available data. And GBPI goes out of its way to explain exactly how it derived its estimates-- and what could be wrong with them. It's a level of data transparency and honesty that other fiscal policy groups should shoot for in this sort of report.

State newspaper coverage can be found here and here. Continuing the long tradition of newspapers going out of their way to "out" nonpartisan think tanks that express any sympathy for, say, adequately funding public services, here's how the Journal Constitution described GBPI:
GBPI says it is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization, though it is supported by and has received funding from groups advocating "progressive" social change and activism.
As if the only way to achieve "nonpartisan" status was to accept funding only from groups who believe everything is just fine in the world...

21 Comments:

At 1:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You say that your study found that illeal immigrants do pay taxes such as
Sales Taxes
Rent property taxes
Excise taxes

What about real property taxes, income tax????????? It seems llegal immigrants pay IRS Taxes, why shouldn't they if they are working? I would be great to work in the U.S. have all the benefits and not have to pay the IRS????? Why is so easy for illegal immigrants to get away without paying IRS taxes????

 
At 2:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes to the IRS, how can they if they don't have a valid social security no.
I feel if they work for any company in the US they should pay the IRS like everyone else does.
I also feel so many use fraudulant social security no.'s and reap from all kinds of benefits such as medicade, food stamps, health care, and abuse our public school systems by not paying taxes, and benefiting from all kinds of services. (Free meals, free special ed. services, free day care, etc...)

Employers hire them because they just want to pay less, cheap labor. They should pay the minimum wage and provide health care and report their earnings with the IRS.

 
At 2:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a funny example of how illegal aliens get better medical attention than a U.S. citizen might.
Recently my husband had neck surgery, and we were told that he was only allowed to stay in the hospital for one night due to our insurance. It would only cover the expenses for one night. Next to my husband was an illegal alien who had been there for 3 months already, and guess what? He did not have to pay any expenses. Wow! Also my daughter in law is pregnant, paying health insurance and everytime she goes to see the doctor has to pay upfront cash for her visits, but an illegal alien can just come into our hospitals and have her baby and pay nothing!!!!! Must be nice. And guess why medical expenses keep going up???? It just does not seem fair. That we the middle class have to sacrifice and pay so much for insurance, yet illegals can get it free, and we foot the bill. And you know what that you can cross over to our border city (Nuevo Laredo) and if you are in an accident over there, their hospitals will not admit anyone unless they pay!!!!!!

 
At 6:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets see here... I am pretty sure that if an illegal immigrant comes to this country they start practically dirt poor, from ground zero. They come here to work and want no trouble so most are law abiding. They avoid hospital visits, and other type of dental and health benefits for fear of getting caught. Yet they pay a hell of a lot into taxes and into the healthcare pool and do not reap the benefits because they cant. If they have a fake SSN they still have to pay, you freaken retard!!! I am also pretty damn sure that illegal aliens would not have to pay income taxes because OH YEAH they work the hard ass jobs that pay just enough to survive. THEY DONT MAKE ENOUGH TO HAVE TO PAY BACK. Most have kids and are not getting tax help from the government. THINK ABOUT IT FOR JUST A MINUTE DAMN IT!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT!! YOU, ( ALONG WITH THE UNETHICAL COMPANIES ), EXPLOIT THESE PEOPLE AND REAP THE BENEFITS THEN YOU BLAME THEM INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE DUMBASSES YOU HAVE RUNNING THIS COUNTRY (AND NO I AM NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT THEY ARE DUMBASSES WHOSE MAIN INTEREST IS TO PROFIT NO MATTER HOW THEY HAVE TO DO IT.) IF YOU ARE ALL STUPID ENOUGH TO BELEIVE THE BULLSHIT THAT THE GOVERNMENT DECIDES TO MAKE UP THEN TO PLAY MIND GAMES WITH YOU, THEN YOU ARE ALL FOOLS JUST LIKE THEM. QUIT MAKING UP SHIT AND JUST ADMIT THAT YOU ARE ALL SCARED OF CHANGE AND DONT WANT PEOPLE HERE. THAT'S WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO BECAUSE IF YOU WERE REALLY EDUCATED YOU WOULD SEE HOW MUCH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AS WELL AS DOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS CONTRIBUTE TO THE US. IMAGINE A DAY WITHOUT AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. WHO THE HELL WOULD HARVEST YOUR CROPS, TAKE CARE OF YOUR KIDS, HELP RUN THE RESTAURANTS ( IN THE BACK OF COURSE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THEY NEVER LET THEM WORK IN THE FRONT OR AS WAITERS), AND WHO WILL BUILD YOUR HOMES. YOU ALL THINK MASSIVE DEPORTATION IS THE ANSWER!!! PLEASE!!! WE ALL KNOW IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF DELAYING THE REAL PROBLEM, WHICH IS PEOPLES WELCOME TO CHANGE!!! OH AND I HAVE A QUESTION?? TO WHOEVER WROTE THE EXAMPLE ABOUT THE ILLEGAL WHO WAS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR 3 MONTHS. HOW IN THE FUCK COULD YOU TELL HE WAS ILLEGAL?? BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE HE DIDN'T TELL YOU. DID YOU JUST ASSUME? OH MY BAD I BET THE NURSE TOLD YOU HE WAS AND HOW DID SHE KNOW? COULD IT BE A LITTLE SOMETHING CALLED RACIAL PROFILING!!! ANYWAY ENOUGH HAS BEEN SAID.

 
At 1:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well this last persons comments are really off base. You need to get a clue on how the healthcare system works. We americans do pay for their healthcare, schools and many other things. Just because they pay sales taxes and cuh does not give them the right to get an education for their children for free. In you way of thinking we ought to just completely open up the borders and have a free for all! Wow, what kind of education would our children get then. I believe that most are hard working and good people. But they need to come here LEGALLY! That is the key word here. Exactly what other country do you think would agree with the idea of everyone and anyone just living there and reaping the bebnfits without being there legally????

 
At 9:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with most everyone on the board but of course the one who obviously is hispanic and is taking anything said as a racial assault instead of what it is and that is hard working middle class America sick of picking up the bill for illegals as well as legal a-holes that pump a crap load of kids that they can't afford and didn't go to school and now feel they are entitled to something. What I dont understand is if so many can come together in protest why don't they protest in Mexico and demand Fox get off his ass and start doing something so that the country can offer jobs and aide to its own people. They just legalized a bunch of different drugs maybe everyone can get jobs rolling doobies!!

 
At 3:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how many people here is illegals, everyone. from the whites man to the darkess. everyone is illegals. who is really behind this, employer are not they love the hispanic, they love how the immigrant work, they are dedicate and loyal. We are the best worker in the americas. My opinion is competition. USA has it all, yes, best restaurant (not even) more opportunity to succeed. How many eoropean here is illegal, everyone, even worst they fought against the biggest leaders back in the days, Great Britain.And came to conquer the new world the land that was not yours for the fist place. Black people was braught here illegally,and then they wanted them out from this country who was behind that, the white man, the white man who doesnt realize he is too an immigrant. whos land is this really, nobody we are infact dirt, because to dirt we all go. We should all be civilized and learn that the world is to small for all of us. we should learn to help eachother because we are all brother and sister.

 
At 7:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, illegal aliens do pay a nominal amount of taxes, I agree. But notice the word "nominal". That should tell us something. They have many children in school, getting a "free education" at home owners expense. They only pay property taxes if they own their home. Most mobile homes are exempt, but most of them live inner city in apartment complexes. They do "not" pay rental taxes, neither do they pay renters insurance and they expect to be reimbursed by the rental agency if there is an "act of god" to their belongings in the apartment:even if they leave a candle burning and burn down the house(I know from experience.) They do pay a very small income tax because they have at least 3, or more dependants(some even claim their parents or siblings in Mexico) and they do file taxes at the end of the year and get back all they have paid in plus also can get up to 4000.00 in earned income credit depending on how many dependants they claim and how much they made. All the students at school(children)get free lunches at school regardless. They have special programs with grant monies for :"Hispanic Students Only" here in Georgia if both parents are from "Mexico". Where I work, during the last 6 months last year of 83 babies born to illegal mothers, 77 were born on Medicaid. These illegal women had spouses who worked under fake ss numbers. I know this to be a fact. They also got food stamps, and everything else available because according the the dept of family and children services: they can not verify their income, they have to "take their work that they are not working".....Ha what a laugh. So you see, what they pay in doesn't even come close to what benefits they receive in this country. I can prove every statement that I have made here, and have ommitted a lot of other good points, because of limited space.

 
At 11:02 AM, Anonymous Courtney Shaw said...

Yes, illegal immigrants pay nominal taxe, and work twice as hard on job americans wont take and so on and so forth. But the major issue is they are ILLEGAL!!! It doesnt matter if they are workin hard, because it is against the law for them to even be over here. It is a gamble that they take when they choose to come america. So in my opinion, even though they pay nominal taxes, it is still unfair to american citizens that we have these "freeloaders" in our contry basiclly living for free.

 
At 4:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Illegal immigrants pay taxes as well. The INS provides them an 9 digit ID number that works in place of a social security. Eacha year they do their taxes. this law has been in effect since 1986. Last year IRS collesct about 50,000 billion in illegal immigrants taxes. Where thosemonies goes? who knows, ask the goberment who spend 20,000 million on a toilet seat for the white house and another 50,000 for a phone line, 80% to 85% of the Illegals are substracted taxes from their pay check and 15% to 20% ae paid cash and paid also taxes as well. Why? because they want to comply with US laws and in cse of an amnisty they can probe that they do their homework and chores.
have a wonderful day.
By the way, we all are immigrants from illegals o illegs, one way or the other, the only ones can hav a saying in this case are the native Indiasn and they agree that why attack some people who are fighting for their rights, just the same way Americans fought for theirs!
enjoy your day!

 
At 6:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Until our laws are changed, you must have a visa to visit our country! When the visa expires, and if you have not applied for citizenship, you must reapply for the visa, or go home! If you are here without a visa, and are not attempting to become a US citizen, you are here illegally. What is the discussion?

 
At 5:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't beleive what this nation has came too. Illegals who are working off of fake SS# ARE PAYING TAXES and they are getting nothing back. They get the jobs from fake SS# and get a normal pay cheak like me and you. Paying in taxes, but then can't get tax returns or are to scrard to so in the end they are contributing a lot to our economy.What are you sending them home too? i think you should reserch mexico and other countrys that illegals come from. Many who come here come here to work to feed their familys that are still in their countrys. What would you do to feed your kids? in colmubia a mother of 3 killed her self and three babys because they were dieing from hunger. these PEOPLE are not asking for anyone to give them anything just a chance to earn the right to be an american. which for some it is ezer to do that here. I don't judge anyone because i am not perfect myself. What makes you so perfect?

 
At 7:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The employer that hires an illegal alien should be fined $1000. the first time he is caught and $2000 the next time etc. The landowner should be fined the same when caught renting to an illegal.
The illegal alien should not be treated worst then dirt which they are now with the living conditions that they live under.
Why do they want to come to USA and live like pigs because I think their life is less in Mexico. Our government should put santions on Mexican's government to stop the abuse of the illegals. We all in America would be better off and so would the Mexicans.

 
At 1:18 AM, Anonymous abraham said...

anything you guys hear will not be enough for your picky minds! but have you ever thought about the millions of indocumented workers over 65 that keep on working, because they never will receive a cent from the goverment? or have you ever thought why the US, doesn't want to legalize all these people (including myself!), is because it would have to pay them Social Security for all the work they have done over the years? have you ever thought that the only reason social security is staying afloat, is because of all of us that break our back working 60 hours a weak (just to make enough to pay rent) are paying taxes with our Itin numbers? noo I didnt think so. all you people can think about is on other countrys having Weapons of Mass Destruction and how we immigrants take away the jobs you want the most (construcciont, janitorial, dishwashers, crop pickers.... etc etc.) Please just take some time to think next time you write anything like this again!

 
At 10:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO ONE IN THIS COUNTRY CAN GET AWAY WITH NOT PAYING TAXES. EVERYONE WHO WORKS PAYS TAXES. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WITH FAKE SSN GET THEIR PAYCHECK, AND WHAT YOU THINK IT SAY SSTAX 0.OO , FEDERAL TAX 0.OO, MEDICARE 0.OO AND ANY OTHER KIND OF TAX $O.OO. NO!!!! THEY PAY JUST AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE AND WOULD QUALIFY FOR A TAX REFUND, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE IRS ANYTHING. THOSE REAPING BENEFITS ARE EVERYONE ELSE AND THE GOVT. ALL THAT MONEY THAT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN'T CLAIM,IS BEING USED IN EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, AND ANYTHING ELSE THE GOVT. USES TAXES FOR. OPEN YOUR EYES DON'T BE STUPID, AND RACIST. HISPANICS AND MEXICAN-AMERICANS WHO COME TO THIS COUNTRY ARE ONE OF THE MOST HARDWORKING AND RESOURCEFUL PEOPLE EVER. THEY DO COME DIRT POOR, FIND A JOB, A PLACE TO LIVE, AND SUUPORT THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY USING THEIR OWN TWO HANDS. HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE THE ABILITY TO WORK BUT PREFER TO LIVE ON WELFARE, AND NOT PUT ANY EFFORT INTO GETTING AHEAD IN LIFE. OH YES AND MUCH OF THE FUNDS USED FOR WELFARE IS SUPPORTED BY TAXES ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS PAY, BEFORE YOU THINK OTHERWISE. HOW MANY YEARS HAVE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WORKED HERE? HOW MANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TOTAL? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE TOTAL OF MONEY THE US HAS KEPT THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN OUT OF SO MANY PAYCHECKS? AND YOU STILL SAY THEY DONT CONTRIBUTE? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU WHO SAY THIS? MOST OF THOSE COMPLAINING AREN'T INFORMED ON MOST OF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING, ASSUMING MANY PEOPLE THEY SEE ARE ILLEGAL WHEN THEY ARE NOT, AND ARE HONESTLY NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECTED IN ANYWAY. THIS COUNTRY IS BECOMING MORE RACIST AND DISCRIMINATORY EVERY DAY. ALL OF THIS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DEBATE IS INCREASING RACIAL PROFILING AND DISCRIMINATION EVERYWHERE. US CITIZENS RIGHT ARE BEING VIOLATED, AND NOW WHAT WE MUST BE FORCED TO CARRY PROOF THAT WE ARE US CITIZENS ON US JUST BECAUSE WE ARE HISPANIC. AREN'T IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS LIKE THAT SUPPOSED TO BE KEPT AT HOME???? YES, I AM HISPANIC, MEXICAN-AMERICAN TO BE EXACT. I AM ALSO A US CITIZEN AND SO IS EVERYONE IN MY FAMILY AS FAR BACK AS I CAN TRACK MY FAMILY TREE.
I AM PROUD OF MY HERITAGE AND WHO I AM, AND WILL ALWAYS WORK TOWARDS DEFENDING THOSE WHO WOULD DISCRIMINATE AND VIOLATE U.S RIGHTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS. I AM A CITIZEN OF THE BEST COUNTRY, A COUNTRY THAT ADVOCATES HUMAN RIGHTS, CIVIL RIGHTS, AND EQUAL RIGHTS. WHERE ARE THOSE RIGHTS NOW!!!! WHY IS THE GOVT NOT DOING MORE TO DEFEND THAT???? WHERE ARE THE VALUES OF THE COUNTRY THAT I AM A PART OF????

 
At 4:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I happen to be a white American who knows very well about the struggles of illegal aliens. Now I am going to enlighten you to the real truth. They do pay taxes! Federal Income tax, Social Security tax, State Income Tax, and Local Income tax are all held from their paychecks. They, however, are not able to reap many of the benefits of the services they are paying for because proof of citizenship is required. Some of them are able to get some of these taxes back at the end of the year, but the vast majority do not know how to file taxes and are afraid of getting caught with a fake social security number and therefore never get any tax returns. Now, as a Christian woman,I do not condone breaking the law to enter this country. I simply want for all of you to recognize that the life they have chosen is a difficult one and close-minded and uninformed people are making it that much harder.

 
At 11:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish all of the racists out there would quit using government platforms to vent their narrow minded thinking. You people refuse to see things from both sides. If our government would actually work with the other government people would not have to come into our country illegally, but having illegal aliens in our country is of no concern to our government. If it was they would do something about it. At least the hispanics aren't coming in and killing everyone and taking our land...like our ancestors did to the "real" Americans. Oh..I'm sorry. It was ok, because we used the religious platforms to do those crimes. Yes, I am a white, educated, non-racist, and open-minded American who is pissed off at the government for allowing things to happen to our country that hurt and divide its citizens for monetary gains.

 
At 1:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Illegal Aliens do pay taxes like everyone else! The difference is they do not get a returned back.People say they get free medical and free this and that. Well why they do not say that they also contribute to the economy of America? Can some one tell me what happens to the millions and millions of dollars that the illegal alien does not get with a tax return. Yes they are here illegaly and the reason they are here illegaly is because they are offered jobs. They should make a research of how many Whites,Blacks and other races are working on the fields day in and day out!
As long as there are public services i.e restaurants, hotels, and the the worst jobs out there, that the so called US citizens do not want there will be an illegal alien willing to take that job. My people come to work in their minds that is all they want. And as long as they keep getting offers to come and work for peanuts they'll be here. Is very simple you do not want us here! Do not offer us jobs. See an article that came out on the Arizona sun news paper a couple of years ago and the industryof the hotels and restaurants complaining that if they do not have the labor hand of the illegal alien is like being on bankruptcy....What do you make of that a State (like Arizona) that is one of the most outspoken State in the country against Illegal Aliens saying that they only rely on the illegal alien's labor hand to survive..Think about that!

 
At 5:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1996, the IRS began issuing identification numbers for illegal immigrants to use and file taxes, during this year the welfare reform bill also came into effect, disqualifying all immigrants from all government programs. There’s also the fact that each immigrant that uses a fake social security number has Social Security and Medicare automatically withed from their paychecks. Every year the revenues of these fake numbers that the Social Security stashes in the “earnings suspense file” it’s approximately $7 billion. As you can see, illegal immigrants do contribute to the economy of the United States.

 
At 7:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

almost every illegal i have met on jobsites , claim 9 dependants on there w-4 forms so they have very little income taxes taken out of there paychecks in a years time . most US citizens can only claim 3-5 on there w-4 forms because if the irs audits them they will have to pay or go to jail , tax fraud , have yall ever heard of it ? so if a illegal pays $200 dollars of $50000 a year they are makeing out alot better then a citizen which ussually pays about $2500 on $50000 , so why not make all these people citizens and get the correct amount of income tax from them ? they are going to keep coming here anyways.

 
At 1:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is really sad how ignorant a person can be. I was reading all these comments and i notice that no one actually knows what is exactly going until you live this situation because people judge others on their own benefit. Illegal people come here for a reason because they face poverty in their countries, they are not lucky as people who are born in this country. I think if one of you put yourself in their situation, you would do the same thing too. but then you will see from a different perspective right? and for all of those people who say they don't pay taxes come on!! they pay as much as you pay or even more because they don't get any social secutiry benefits as you get.they don't get Medicaid or any other type of health insurance. About that person who said that they don't pay property taxes,your comment shows how ignorant you are because when you rent the house do you deduct the insurance and the taxes of the property from the rents payment??? i don't think so.At the end if you sell the house you get the money they pay for the rent don't you basically they paid for your house . And about that person who said that they should talk to Fox, it is sad to see your ignorance because not all illegal immigrants are Mexicans.come on people why do we have to think like this I think that God created us equal. I really encourage those people who commented agaisnt illegal immigrants to go ahead and educate themselves more because whatever they are saying it doesn't make sense. Also to think how about if they were in this shoes? or if somebody from their family is in this situation? I want to thank those people who wrote in favor because it seems that you are more informed and that you actually have a heart. I'm sure if all these illegal people had everything in their country they wouldn't come to suffer discrimination and exploitation from people like you who blame every bad thing that happens on them. but nobody says anything when you eat that fruit or vegetable who you know that was harvest by an illegal immigrant right? or do you think you can do it? i don't think so

 

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